HBO Attacking BitTorrent

i swear, i just want to write a letter to the producers of ‘the west wing’ and just enclose a check. the show is always on at a terrible time for me and i never see it, so i download instead. the downloaded torrent is in HD and looks great in widescreen on my powerbook. the sound is tremendous because i have a great set of speakers for the computer. it’s just overall a superior experience that i would gladly pay for, if only i could!

“Naturally the downloaders are fighting back.”

Are they making their own videos now? (Or do they still want the work of the people and businesses they don’t really like?)

monkeyhat, I think John Dowdell was trying to make a point that it’s the property of HBO. I personally subscribe to HBO, but download the shows instead of watching them on TV because they’re on at a bad hour.

Also, use the “safepeer” plugin in Azureus to block bad IP’s. It works wonders.

” “Naturally the downloaders are fighting back.”

Are they making their own videos now? (Or do they still want the work of the people and businesses they don’t really like?)”

No, that would require actual intelligence and hard work. Something that is in short supply with these people.

i haven’t had any problem bittorrenting rome episodes, even several days after they’ve been posted, so i don’t know how big of a problem this is.

on the other hand, i’m on a pretty big uni pipe, so i should probably check my discarded data too because i might just not be noticing the slowdown

Downloading TV shows isn’t illegal or immoral. There has never been a case of anyone EVER (US) being arrested/sued for downloading TV content.

What is the big deal? HBO…I understand… anything else–it’s free anyway! Especially network shows (antenna, dumbasses, even in HD). So again, I say “what’s the big deal?” I could just as easilly tape it to a VCR or Tivo or DVD recorder.

I hope the people who made the comments about people being lazy or of lower intellegence would consider that they are barking up the wrong tree with TV downloads (but I do agree with you when it comes to music and movie downloads).

That’s complete and utter hot garbage. Why can’t these large corporations embrace new technology and find ways to make it profitable rather than trying to stiffle progress?

Because most corporations are run by old, techno-phobic men in expensive pinstripes who care more about driving Lexus SUVs and playing golf on the weekends than dealing with the difficult issues of tracking trends and figuring out problems.

It’s always been that way. It’ll always be that way. Corporate America is filled with idiots.

They are playing loserball.

Interesting trivia:

People with the strongest opinions against illegally downloading intellectual property are among the worst offenders when it comes to the former.

FYI, my IQ is 72, so Azer and co. are right on the money :>

Jeremy,

I’m paying for a certain bandwidth. There is no suck thing as undue stress because I can’t go over my cap. And if there is stress, that means my ISP is not on top of it.

Believe me, even if I’m not downloading kinky porn 24/7, I’ll find a way to fill my modem’s coax with stuff.

I was busted in this way a couple days ago. My internet connection went down, I called my ISP (a cable company) and they asked if I was downloading Rome. I was shocked. The faxed me some documents from HBO/MediaSentry chronicling what had happened (My IP Address and the particulars). They also included a cease and desist statement to sign (I agree to stop downloading or serving HBO materials). I had to sign it to get my connection back. I’m a self-employed web designer and am crippled without my connection so I signed it and faxed it back.

That same night I ordered DSL. I wish them luck with their partnership with HBO and quest against copyright infringement, but they lost a four year customer in the process.

these idiots are probably profiling us for demographic information so they know what to put on their idiotic distribution channels for content, because they personally would not have a clue. As Harry Shearer has said, copyright your lives. This is an invasion of privacy issue, our civil liberties are at risk and the intrusiveness is ridiculous. Now that the morons who control things realise finally how the p2p networks and protocols exist why can’t they work with the community rather than greedily destroy it? If there is someone out there who actually knows someone who can affect these things, fucking talk to them. They need to realise the distribution infratstructure is there already and negotiations are better than this mindless attempt at destruction of a virtual community. Morons!

HBO is not “attacking” BitTorrent. They are “attacking” people who are illegally downloading their shows.

It amazes me how far some people will go to rationalize theft.

HBO is not “attacking” BitTorrent. They are “attacking” people who are illegally downloading their shows.

It amazes me how far some people will go to rationalize theft.
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So two wrongs make a right? Even if the person should be able to download the show because they currently have a subscription and have access to it anyways? Can anyone explain to me why HBO is in the right and the downloaders are in the wrong here?

OK, so I get HBO (or any other channel, premium or not) on-demand. Most of the time, there are just a few *specific* episodes they offer. If and when I can find the one show I want (or all of them), I can then record it on my Tivo/PVR, right? I can use my PVR to put it on a DVD, right? If I’m running a home-brew PC-based PVR, I can copy it to disk. Or, I can just record it when I watch it at it’s regularly scheduled time. The point is, I already pay the particular media company for the right to watch their channel, because I want to *WATCH* the programming on that channel.

Anyway, there are several ways that I can get this show onto a device that will allow me to play it back whenever I want, on whatever device I want. Are you saying that because it’s downloaded instead of recorded from TV that it’s illegal?

I hope whatever tards at HBO came up with this idea get knocked over the head with the clue stick!!!!! If they want to stop/reduce the downloads that they think is a bad idea, then USE THE TECH that will enable them to make a buck off of it. People are still gonna download it, but if the make it easy to _legally_ obtain this show ($$ for non-subscribers, 1/2$ or free for customers), they can have a huge array of options for how to present this, and the method of delivery. Of course, putting some stupid DRM in there is gonna hurt their cause…

What the hell is it gonna take for these old media companies (MPAA, RIAA, TV, Cable, etc) to realize that the internet and online users could be helping their bottom line instead of making them look like idiots, and them treating their customers like theives. There is a market opportunity here, and they are completely ignoring it.

For those of us living in a foreign country, where US satellite DOESN’T reach, this is the only way to get this stuff. C’mon networks, offer it. Oh, and no ads either.

Hey, HBO has the right to distribute their stuff however they want. If they dont want to make it available on demand, then tough. Its their property. They are not suing you like the MPAA or the RIAA.
The RIAA is trying to save a dying business model. They know that they could easily become obsolete. The MPAA and HBO are just trying to protect their investment. They spend millions of dollars creating these TV shows and Movies. They own a product. A real product, unlike the RIAA. They simply own distribution.
You are absolutely right, you could easily use current technology to transfer these shows to your other devices. The problem is that this would be a copyright violation in itself.
Dont be pissed at HBO, they are the only channel in my opinion that still has good television.
They arent trying to kill off downloading, they are trying to make downloading difficult enough that it ceases to be casual.
This is a great idea.
The RIAA and the MPAA and HBO and NBC and all the other content providers know that copyright infringement will occur. They are just trying to get it back into the margins, instead of out in the open.
HBO doesnt want to sell an episode of ROME on the net for $2, when they can sell you the entire package for $20. Its a package deal. Its a marketing ploy, and everyone does it.

Some of us dont’ want to wait years for the stuff to come out in our country and don’t have the option to get HBO via Pay TV, hell we can’t even get the Sci Fi channel, what options are available for us? If Sci Fi/HBO woudl put them on the net for $2-$3 each even with DRM that woudl be cool.

Ok, first of all: copyright infringement isn’t theft, it’s infringement. That’s why it has a different name, and is covered by different statues than theft. (This was explained to me by a Federal Circuit Court judge, whom I won’t name.)

Secondly: if you buy service from HBO, they promise to deliver the content to you by a particular means. This does not give you a license to obtain the same material by other means.

Thirdly: While the cable companies and HBO may be stupid, avaricious, etc, etc, that’s their prerogative. You can do business with them or not, it’s up to you. Nobody ever died from TV deprivation.

Now, when it comes to ripping DVDs to your computer, it’s a different story. If you own the DVD, you probably are entitled to make a backup copy under the “fair use” doctrine, and since even finding out whether you’re doing so would probably require a violation of the fourth amendment, HBOs options for keeping you from ripping the DVD are limited to buggering up the disk in some way to make it hard to copy. If you defeat the anti-backup measures, and keep the backup copy only for your own use, you’re probably OK.

If you rent a DVD and rip it, then you’re violating the copyright, although the same fourth-amendment issue can probably keep you from being prosecuted for it.

At any rate, downloading copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder is illegal: if you do it, do it at your own risk, and kindly refrain from bitching about it if they find out about it and sue you.

-jcr

Too bad for all those suckers not living the USA who will probably never be able to view such shows as Rome. In Australia there are 3 commercial stations, each very conservative. Rome, like Oz before it, will never be shown on these channels. Oz was shown on a fourth “free” station, but at random times all jumbled up. So for some of us the ONLY way to watch a show like Rome is to download it, and probably buy the DVD later. I guess its back to quality shows from FOX that dont make you think…

I 2nd the post from NotInUSA. Some HBO programs are taken up by stations in Aus (about 3 years after they’re shown in the US) but then either dropped, moved to ridiculous timeslots, or just not shown at all if something “better” (i.e. sport) comes along. If the local TV networks treat their viewers like idiots, then I feel justified in downloading the shows. Since it’s eventually going to be shown on fta TV here anyway, I don’t view it as stealing.

Sounds like someone put an old idea into work. This Guy wrote about it 3 years ago:

http://www.dennisluxen.de/papers/dl_p2pcp.pdf

I’d also have to agree with the NotInUSA commenter; living in the Netherlands I rarely get to see the good shows if at all, and then only to have them chopped up and shown out of sequence, and often stopping halfway through the season.

Shows like Futurama or the new Battlestar Galactica? Too much of a niche audience for us dutchies so we are lucky if we get to see a few disjointed episodes.

So I download and watch them. I usually buy the DVD set when it finally arrives in the stores here.

You could continue downloading tv shows…or just chuck the fucking idiot box out the window. Television is slowing down evolution and is the biggest floodgate for bad information. Even bigger than the internet, suprisingly.

You think Australia is bad.. we here in South Africa don’t have

Smallville (6 months or more behind)
Prison Break
Stargate : SG-1
Stargate : Atlantis
NO Star Trek at all what so ever
Farscape only showed half a season
Battlestar Galactica (new or old)
Space Race
Treshold
Threat Matrix
etc etc etc

We don’t get any SCI-FI here, and we don’t even have SCI-FI on satelite (we had SCI-FI UK for a few years, but it sucked (Lexx reruns day and night)

How are we suppose to get these excelent shows? Can’t even buy them on DVD here because were in a different Zone and they don’t release these things on Zone 2 frequently.

Based on this article, I just called and cancelled all my HBO channels. And I don’t even know what Rome is. Good work, HBO, you friggin morons.

why do they do this? they release it On Demand anyway. i saw all of rome recently from On Demand. at this point i could have easily hit record on my VCR or hooked up the cable box to my PC and recorded it to the PC. and what about tivo?
i don’t get why they do this? people have been recording TV shows forever and its legal. and did i mention taping off of HBO for free movies? i’d actually do this, but i don’t have enough temp space on my comp to record uncompressed video/audio. so i’ll have a ‘friend’ do it for me and send it to me. i don’t see whats wrong with this. yes it does break copyright laws, but so what. i’m not hurting anyone. i don’t see how they make money off of someone seeing a program, there are no commercials etc.

i just say this: at least they aren’t trying to sue every user who downloads that rome torrent.

Of course, the real benefit of a reputation system is that it allows the attacker to figure out who to sue first :-)

In much the same way that the auto industry shut down light rail and replaced it with busses, this is a conspiracy among the monopoly cable companies and for-pay TV (HBO and other subscribers). HBO could setup their own tracker and charge per episode. The only way for me to get HBO is to buy a package from (the monopoly cable company) Comcast and get all kinds of things I don’t want at a price that is too high for me. I cannot get the shows I want from HBO.
Last comment. If I buy HBO, tape Rome and give the tape to my friend, am I a criminal? Would you consider me a dick-head if I told you that I won’t tape it for you because you have to buy it yourself and I’m not a criminal? This is all big business just trying to keep people down and convince the people that if the big business isn’t making profits and the CEO doesn’t get a new airplane, then we the people are to blame while we scrape to make ends meet.

I think that an important point that some people are missing is this:

Just because YOU own the DVD or have a subscription to HBO doesn’t mean that the people downloading Rome from you have one too.

Or do you not realize that when you download from Bittorrent, other people are also downloading from you?

Of course http://www.myBittorrent.com is working hard on building some protections to protect our real users from these kind of companies like HBO.

You’ve got to be kidding me! Are some of you really out there preaching that you have the right to download HBO shows? Aside from the fact that these shows aren’t free to make – and sparing the debate on how much the actors and actresses get paid relative to what they should earn – HBO is a pay service. Period. Yeah, I can take my TiVo or VCR and record the show for myself, and I do sometimes if I can’t watch live, but you aren’t paying for it. I know that its an extra $15 or whatever for HBO, but I’ve come to love the programming and am willing to pay that. I’m sorry if some governmental or geographical divides prevent you from getting HBO, but if you hadn’t illegally downloaded it in the first place, you wouldn’t know what you’re missing anyway. Cable TV is not a utility like electricity or gas, its a luxury item.

One thing people are not taking into account regarding HBO (Media Sentry) sending bad data. Even if you only connect to a tracker to keep stats of peers and seeders (not to actually download), the bad seeders still have bots designed to capture your IP address, send it to the bad seeders and start sending you the bad data packets, unrequested!. This turns into a flood with 40-50+ packets per second or more. I monitored this with peer gaurdian and an IP packet analyzer. Even if you disconnect from the tracker it does not stop. I watched these packets continue for 10+ hours after the fact until I finally changed my IP. This is also known as a DISTRIBUTED DENIAL OF SERVICE attack and is unquestionably illegal. Remember, you do not have to be actively downloading to be attacked by this method. The flood of packets did prevent me from using my browser to surf the net during the experiment so I was being denied the service I had paid for. I hope somebody with more legal means than I can look at this aspect of HBO / Media Sentry and start a class action lawsuit for DDOS’ing. :-)

>There is so much music being produced and it is so
> cheap to make that under proper competition an
> album would cost less than $1.

This is bullshit. The cost of albums is not in the raw materials. The cost is the money paid to artists (which is minimal with new artists and significant with established artists), promotions, advertisements and so on.

Unless you’re listening to indie music recorded on an extremely low budget, it costs more than a dollar to make.

I have no problem paying 13 bucks for CD, which is what Best Buy, Circuit City and DeepDiscountCD.com sell them for. That’s less than what they cost in the late 80′s…much less if you adjust for inflation.

Unless HBO can make it so that I can watch their shows 24/7. I will not stop downloading their shows. They should take it as a complement that everyone wants to watch Rome. The only want to stop us to make more money…. I would pay if they made their shows available online to download. If they where a smart company, they would capitalize on this trend.

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stop whinging you fucktards, you know as well as them that this will not even dent the downloads,this is just to get the boss’ of the poor overworked ppl who get nagged to death about illegal download

I find this all really stupid, downloading HBO is wrong yes but so what? this is what happens when you don’t provide customers the service they want for an honest/reasonable price NOT the most you could possibly milk them for before losing too many customers.

I download tv shows, i know it’s wrong and i’m not going to say it’s right “because i’m not happy with the service”. But surely with situations like this the courts need to redefine what is right and wrong.

Imagine if the music industry only allowed people to listen to their music through radio and live performances in today’s day and age. It’s the same as holding people hostage, sooner or later they’re going to start providing the service they have been denied for themselves ( i.e recording the radio and passing it around). The problem is the whole industry wants to stick to the same old business model so there is not any proper competition in the inovation and technological areas. They’re simply comfortable with the current model and don’t want to change because the furure is “scary” and “unknown” and they might not make any more money than they make now and for some reason money defines good or bad and not growth, appeal or CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.

They just have to accept that the times are changing and the traditional idea of television is not going to last forever. You could think of it like a rental car, you can keep fixing it and fixing it but sooner or later you’re going to have to trade it up for a new better car if you want people to keep using it. You could compare downloading tv shows using bittorent as the customers getting out of the car and walking because it has gotten to the stage where they can walk faster. Yeah you’re walking on a freeway which gives you a 90% chance of dieing but that’s just shows how crappy the car was (i.e. people are willing to “steal” tv shows because of the tired old idea of only being available through television braoadcast from a recording).

Surely this is an issue for The Office Of Fair Trading because it’s not in the best intrests of the consumer. If some networks began using the internet to sell their shows and actually created competition in the inovation and technological area then everyone would follow suite.

The PVR was the first step toward the advancement of television but it seems to have stopped dead after that.

I got the same cease and desist mini-lecture from my ISP. Luckily, though, they didn’t force me to sign anything. Didn’t even force me to say I would never do it again. All they did was tell me I could be sued. And they suspended my connection for a wee bit. I’m sort of guessing I wasn’t the only person to get bit by the P2P “we caught you” bit.

To be honest, my problem isn’t greed, exactly. Well, in part. I’m broke, so I can’t afford HBO right this moment. I was planning on ordering HBO ($10-$15/month), thanks to the Rome downloads, but being an ass kind of changed my mind. I was also going to buy Rome on DVD when it came out, brand new (which I rarely do). Frankly, without the download, I’d have never considered either of the above, as my last impression of HBO was just as Oz got off the ground (yeah, it didn’t have much in the way of niceness back then). But I believe buying the Rome DVD used is a better idea. Let eBayers have my future money rather than HBO. *snort*

As for the bad packets, it is true. According to my firewall, I’ve been trying to “download” from Media Sentry for days, even with all internet programs closed. I’m calling my ISP tomorrow and requesting a new IP. I deleted Rome from my harddrive long ago (before HBO singled me out), and haven’t so much as considered downloading it again. In fact, I haven’t downloaded much of anything in the last week. (I use BT primarily for fansubs.) I feel harassed right now. :(

Wow, what a long list of comments!

Hot Subject!

Anyway, what we are all going through is the growing pains for something that will eventually become pay to view and will become a normal part of our lives in 5-10 years time. TV as we knew it will be a thing of the past.

The bottom line is that HBO or any other similar TV station will have to change as a combination of techologies are clearly changing the face of how we consume our information.

As (some) of the old school farts who run the TV stations retire they will be replaced (I hope) with more new school forward thinking execs who see the potential in updating the old revenue models and creating new revenue models based on a global market instead of just a national one. Once they take off their blinkers, they will see that the world is truly their oyster. (Google = $90billion company)

People who never before could watch certain programs now can because of the combination of these brilliant technologies like the internet/bit torrent, Divx/Xvid, and media PCs or modded Xboxs. :)

If I was an exec I would be interested to know more in how all this could be exploited not stopped!

BBC is already working on something of this nature where DRM is used and is called BBC iMP

Microsoft has jumped on the band wagon and is developing a P2P protocol codenamed Avalanche which I assume will end up being offered as a platform for TV companies to offer/distribute P2P DRM TV programs.

I have been following this area for years with a keen interest and feel it will pan out in a similar way iTunes kicked off legal downloading of music. They are making lots of money by offering digital music singles so people can buy and download one song at a time instead having to buy a whole CD soundtrack with songs they don’t want to listen to.

At the end of the day (especially nowadays) the consumers are paving the way in deciding how they want to digest all this media and the big boys will have to find ways to deliver the goods.

Exciting times!

WebWiseCrew

RE: delayed broadcasting in your territory…

Rome is a HBO/BBC co-production. As a UK license-fee payer, I see no reason not to download – i’ve already paid thank you. I understand the arguements when it comes to commercial TV, requiring ads to support the creation of such great content in the first place, but we can only be expected to be so patient… Yes Channel 4, with an unaired season six of West Wing, I’m looking at you… Meanwhile Season 7 airs in the states… please.

In the very near future the middle men and bottlenecks (networks) will be removed, production companies will be able to distribute on their own terms and finally receive a fair share of ad revenue. Who needs the tv networks?

http://tapeitofftheinternet.com

I just got a letter from my ISP about this very thing. *shrug* I have it “on demand”, I really don’t see what the big deal is with that considered. Nevertheless, I will not download anything like that in the future.

@Rome Bustee1: Interesting what happened to you. The way it happened to me was so much different. I didn’t get any fax and my connection didnt go down I simply got a letter a week after they alleged and it said that my ISP didnt give them my information but that it would if the courts required them to. I wasn’t presented with any cease and desist thing to sign, but I will not do that again anyway bc I didnt realize the seriousness + that letter scared the heck out of me.

Fuck HBO. As long as big business is making billions off the little guy, I will continue to download.

“No, that would require actual intelligence and hard work. Something that is in short supply with these people.”
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Hahaha well judging from most movies I’ve seen lately, there isn’t much hard work or intelligence going on there AT ALL

Just exactly how many butchered remakes are they gonna produce anyways?

My wallet has been forbidden from doing any further business with the likes of a bunch of dried-up creative blocks sitting around wondering how to milk another stupid idea. :)

It’s almost hysterical to watch the RIAA and the like looking to seek help from the biggest pirates of them all – the Federal Government.

But yeah, let’s wipe out all this theft across the board, starting at the very top.

Last time I checked the Victory Tax was repealed in the 1940′s. Taking out taxes on personal income is a Constitutional no-no, boys and girls.

So yeah, We The People demand our ‘intellectual properties’ no longer be infringed upon.

Let’s see how high this kite will fly.

On October 8, 2005 08:15 AM, Jids wrote, “To all those posts (or to that one post) that said that recording a tv show on a vcr and then lending it to a friend was illegal, WHERE does it say that it is illegal? It DEFINATELY doesn’t say it before the show, it doesn’t say it during the show, and it doesn’t say it after the show.”

No, it does not say that it’s illegal in the show. Nowhere on my bicycle does it say that it’s illegal to steal it. Nowhere on my house does it that it’s illegal to enter without permission. Nowhere on my body does it say that it’s illegal to punch me. Where does it say that it’s illegal? In the statutes and acts of the country in which I live.

Quote: “I’m personally a very hard worker. In fact I rarely have a free hour, which is why I download it to watch later instead of watching when it airs the first time around. What HBO should do is offer the bittorrent downloads to subscribers and it would probably curb the piracy.” —-
Why don’t you just watch it on your HBO-on-Demand channel later?

No, but seriously, I do have a real thought to share.

Without getting into my own still-developing opinion on this topic, I’m noticing that a lot of people are saying things like,

“I understand that HBO wants to make more money by selling one expensive package instead of a bunch of cheap TV episodes, but I am not going to pay for the whole deal when I only want one show! HBO, you’ve just lost a potential customer! It’s your loss!”

But this overlooks a very simple question in economics. Sure, Person X, HBO isn’t getting any of YOUR money, because they don’t offer a cheap enough package for YOU. But surely, if they were to start offering a system where their shows were available episode-by-episode in an On-Demand format, they would lose a lot of their regular full-deal customers who DO pay for the whole deal when they only want a couple of shows. Anyone who would save money by unsubscribing from the full channel and switching to On-Demand would do so.

So the question HBO has to answer is this: would making a full, all-content-available On-Demand system increase or decrease profits?

Clearly, their current answer is “No.” And I’d say there’s a good chance they’re right (especially since they probably have trained professionals thinking about these exact questions all the time, and I don’t even have a college degree quite yet).

None of this stuff is going to change for quite some time people. We have to face the facts. Do I agree that there should be a better way for us to get our entertainment? Of course. But please try to remember… It’s just entertainment. Regardless of what the magazines and masses of morons try to tell us. We do not “need” this crap.

Yes, I download movies, music, tv shows, and anything else that catches my interest right now. Why? Because like most people around the world, I am not earning a 6 figure income, my basic needs cost nearly everything I have, transportation sucks up all stray dollars, and the few cents I have left over go to my limited luxuries so that I don’t feel like the only reason I’m alive and permitted to live on the land is to make money for those in power.

I refuse to go into debt for entertainment!

There are certain artists I do continue to support when I can, because they’re worth it. And I’d like to see them continue in their success. And occasionally I buy DVD’s because I’d like to be able to watch a movie more than once and whenever I like. But I refuse to go to the theatre and pay a minimum of $14 just to see a movie once and be deafened by it. I don’t care if there will be certain scenes missing on the DVD anymore.

(By the way, congrats to the studios for that one. You’ve managed to convince millions to return to paying ridiculous prices!)

Both music and movies are being overrun by remakes now. Quality is being replaced by quantity in every aspect, and I think we deserve to at the very least have decent samples available to us all so we can preview anything we might consider buying.

For those of you in places where you cannot get shows you’d very much like to watch. Look around for people in different countries, make some new friends, connect through FTP, IRC, MSN, PSP, however you can, and ask them to send this stuff. Bypass all the controls. Is it illegal? You betcha! Can they catch you? Not bloody likely! Even if they do… You can lie.. State you were trying to help them by distributing crap as their stuff.

Now one last thing that I was quite surprised none of you mentioned.
You would like HBO to make their shows available through torrents or other such forms. The only way they will do anything of the sort is through actually broadcasting it. And each person would then be paying to receive it, each time. Otherwise they run into the same problem. Once you have the file, you can share it to others for free. You can change the name of the file, create your own torrent…etc.

I can’t blame them for trying to stop the illegal downloads. But I don’t have to like it.

So, someone want to explain THIS to me:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/JonRCarver/Blog/cns!1p0gscyuZhyxMgfP3rzJeehA!615.entry

I asked about it, and he said he was using the IP addresses he found off this this site, and they were the ones conflicting with Sprint, and MS Office Outlook 2003, etc (it appears the MSN Messenger thing must’ve been coincidence because it doesn’t cause that problem anymore). and that some of the IP’s listed here are licenced to Comcast Cable. If all these IP’s are from HBO causing problems then why does it prevent people logging on the internet through their Sprint phones (conected to their laptop) and why would MS Office 2003 not be able to download mail while these IP’s are blocked? It’s too weird. Are you sure all those IP’s are from HBO causing problems?

I agree with my UK counterparts. I pay TV License fee, therefore I have a right to view the shows which my fees part pay for. I would happily pay a reasonable amount to get ‘legal’ downloads of shows. My problem is, I don’t like waiting for next episodes or waiting a whole year for new seasons, I like to know what’s happening and know it now. I don’t get much time for leisure tv watching, so what ever time i do get, i wanna watch as much as I can.

Media production companies and networks usually have finish filming a whole season before or whilst they air the show. So, why not just give legal downloads for customers who want to pay, and insert adverts into those downloads? NO not adwares or spywares, insert adverts in the actual show itself, unless they’re produced by BBC or HBO…

C’mon you media moguls, THINK, figure out a solution… Reach a middle ground…

You guys calling other people criminals should realize you’re looking a little like Howdy-Doody. I’ve never seen a larger group or dorks – and I mean the Johnny Doo Gooder, boy scout types of dorks. Do you believe everything a corporate media culture tells you? I bet you all have NEVER smoked pot or took a drink or even have an impure thought, have you? Gimme a break. It’s the self-righteous that are always the real crooks and perverts, b/c they’re hiding their true selves behind piousness (reaction formation for those not scared enough to study psychology). Take that – bastards!

Look – you should be able to download anything – and I mean anything – as long as you don’t SELL IT to other people. That’s what this is all about anyway – dissuading bootleggers.

Sheesh – it’s about the money stupid. No one loses anything from downloaders who DON’T resell it – NO ONE. This is about controlling the reselling.

Now all you people calling other “stealers” and “criminals” – stop being boy scouts. SHEEESH!

Im from Poland, i have HBO. But they dont show Rome in UE :( So…. i downlaoad it. Its a crime? I pay for this shitty TV and i dont have any good TV Series (sorry only Junk from past few years). I know, UE is the “third world” for TV companies….but for what they want us to pay… but Azerus and safeepeer plugin + Peer Guardian 2.0 and…. kiss my nose HBO!

It is obvious the producers are not looking at it from our perspective. Until they are sitting at home and don’t have access to the DVD of their choice, they don’t care about whether or not it’s available to us, so long as we’re paying for it or watching commercials.

Whats really sad is the message they are sending. I subscribe to HBO but when I miss an episode I DL it. Is this wrong? Not in my book, as I pay for the service already. But when I received the nasty email recently over downloading episode 12 of Rome, I finally got the picture. The message they send is that you best go out and buy a DVR so as to never miss an episode again. So how is it illegal to download it, but if I get a DVR, I can record it just the same?

I’m flaming mad at their attempts to poison the seeds out there. It’s completely hypocritical to say I am committing a crime when I could easily invest in a DVR and produce the same result legally.

I have since cancelled my subscription to HBO. Screw them.

to answer the question that keeps popping up..

“If I pay for HBO already, and download the show, am I breaking the law?”

The answer: yes, most likely. Remember, bittorrent isn’t just downloading, it’s uploading. While getting the content you paid for might *technically* be legal (but not proven in court), you are also making it available for download, which IS illegal and IS tested in the courts.

The real question becomes.. what if you pay for HBO, download Rome, and configure your client not to upload a single bit?

There greed will be there end … Specially in the US civil rights dont seem to have much value in regards to the oh so mighty *yet crumbling* dolar… look at HBO… they are probably profiling every registerd customer they have and selling your personal info to some 3nd party as part of an add deal … so much for privacy… the tracking they do is completly illegal.. there justifications are ludicorouse… they even go so far as to misuse the word Theft , that is a seriouse offence * ok not in the CEO world .. there it is considered a cavaliers delict * in the MPAAs eyes they vould eqate it with rape or homocide … and equating it like that IS AMORAL.. but hey its the wild west …

Im really happy that in my country it aint so bad … my US friends who made exchanges here all wanna come back *i wonder why*…but even hear the long arm if the MPAA has its influence … and with our curant crappy and spineless argentinian import politicans I fear for the worst …

I hope that their bussiness model finnaly dies and there execs with them … and that the interent doesnt become another bussines world of the neokapitalistic supply demand crap that our world has become. Not even gonna go into the freedom of speach in the media these days !!!!

You guys need to check out I2P and Ants P2P.

http://i2p.net/ is an anonymous network with a BitTorrent client already built in, and will provide “militant grade” anonymity in the near future (already provides enough to create plausible deniability). Performance can be an issue because it’s first and foremost an anonymous network layer.

http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/ is first and foremost an anonymous P2P network, using the same concepts that made BitTorrent so successful. This tool has the most hope of becoming the next killer P2P application because it’s basically anonymous BitTorrent.

The problem with either solution is that you’re all still using clients that can be easily tracked by people like HBO, MediaSentry, and SafeNet (just take a look at PeerGaurdian logs and you’ll see that they’re probing you). So please do your homework and start adopting the anonymous networking clients so we can all benefit and share freely once again. Of course nothing is 100% anonymous, but these programs introduce so much complexity that even if an anti-p2p agency were to spend the time and money to track every packet you sent and received, there is so much plausible deniability that they would not have any grounds for a case.

Bottom line: Give Ants P2P (or another anonymous P2P network) a try and don’t give up so quickly. The available file pool cannot grow until more people see the light and start using the next generation P2P tools… while avoiding the possibility of legal headaches.

if a tv show is played on a public channel. dosent that make the material “free” to a point? it is just as easy to record shows on my satelite with the computer then it is a vcr / dvr. it is being played on public tv for a reason.

also I like to “test drive” what i buy. so much of the dvd’s out there are over marketd crap. this way you get to watch the show. and ifyou like it you support it by buying the dvd’s that are later offered. I have all of stargate sg-1 downloaded, but guess what. I also own every DVD that is currently on the market. there is one thing that can be said about the dvd’s. when i have the show on my hard drive, i dont hav to worry about scratching it by inocent misuse.

these companies just need to adapt to a differnt market / distribution methods.

i.e. charging money for the download, etc…

Screw HBO. If it’s Amerircan – It’s mine.

Stop me.

LOL

Red — I’m sorry you feel that way. Like a lot of Americans, I feel as frustrated and angry about the direction of our government as you appear to feel. However, tarring all Americans with the same brush is the surest way to feed the right-wing polarization that the current administration is forcing on the world. Work to support Americans who disagree with the current government, don’t use policies you disagree with as an excuse for behavior you wouldn’t like if it were turned on you.

The point everybody seems to have missed is that the TV studios want people to see advertising. That is how they are paid. If they give you a cheap $2 copy of a show, they have no way of knowing if just you watched it or fifty of your mates at a party…. they want everyone to endure the ads….. They probably won’t embrace the online revolution until it’s too late and some upstart company is making megabucks…

I have On Demand with our local cable provider but do not have HBO therefore I cannot choose their episodes via on demand. Someone there should have come up with this: let viewers subscribe to series via the on demand option for a flat fee per season. Duh!?! I don’t want to wait a year to rent episodes so I guess I will download the torrents. ATTN HBO MARKETING DEPT: I will trade you my idea for a lifetime subscription of Rome.

If you watch shows like Angel, downloaded or broadcast, you are a superdork. I don’t mind when superdorks get upset by cool people who manage large companies. However since large movie companies are run by dorks what do you expect? It’s just a dork war, and the normal cool people with HOT girlfriends don’t care.

However I’m sick so I’m trying to figure this stuff out so I can watch new movies to see if they are any good. I’m fairly sure they’re all crap since Hollywood is full of sick overly left wing freaks, so i don’t actually want to support them.

BSW

Ummm, you guys all know its illegal to play music CD’s at work too right? I, of course, would never do that as it would be breaking the law.

Thats why I have never borrowed a book, never used a blank cassette, never bought a blank CD, never play guitar to songs I haven’t purchased the sheet music for, never watched a DVD with friends and never lent anyone my ipod (thats the aussie model with only mp3′s of me singing my own original material on it).

I also make sure to watch all advertisements in full and concentrate really hard on product placement so I know just what to buy.

If only they would make Soma legal!

Is this legal anyway? I’m a european citizen and have no buisness whatsoever with BHO. There interference is obstructing me. I therefore blocked the ip ranges there using:

209.133.121.*
209.133.122.*
209.66.117.*

I advise others to do the same.

I personally dont download music of films, if i like it I buy it thats SIMPLE, but i understand those out there that like to try before you buy. I think if you download something and you like it, you should pay for it, if your to cheapskate to do that dont download…

Good series like ROME as you all keep mentioning, get cancelled coz millions downloaded instead of buying it and the companies dont make enough money. those ROME lovers of you out there that shared it.. shame on you its your fault.

If somethings worth watching its worth paying for, you dont work for free coz your boss likes it do you?