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Dec 9
2006

Brady Forrest

Brady Forrest

HD-DVD Is Winning on DVD Wars

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Ars Technica has a piece discussing the positive buzz around HD-DVD over Blu-ray. It's based on an interesting report by a marketing research company and its findings are backed up by actual buying and searching habits of consumers on Amazon and Google.

On the DVD Wars the buzz seems to have translated into a superior performance for HD-DVD. It uses Google Trends to quickly show which format is winning across a number of different data points. Right now HD-DVD is winning on all fronts. Among the statistics that it compares are: Salesrank of the Top Ten Products, Number of Products that Can Be Shipped, Number of Products that Can Be Purchased, Number in the Top 100/1,000/10, 0000, and Number of Accessories. The site has Amazon affiliate links to the top-selling items and accessories for both formats. Can we say automated money-maker?

Wisely, they have also created site to compare Sirius vs. XM (no clear winner) and Xbox vs. PS3 vs. Wii (XBox is the clear winner and the Wii is on its heals). I expect to see a Zune vs. Ipod (it would be fun to see more of the slaughter), Vista vs. Leopard, and iPhone vs. Blackberry.

Just like Flickr with their Camera Finder, Amazon is just handing over this valuable data. Especially in Amazon's case, it makes perfect sense. Sites like DVD Wars serve as R&D for their development process in addition to providing an additional sales channel. If they start to drive a lot of sales through these sites I'm sure it will cue Amazon to begin investing similar features for their site.

[I learned about DVD Wars from Jeff Barr's Ignite presentation]


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  Mike [12.10.06 06:23 AM]

Wait to you see blue ray, It's blows hd-dvd away

  franticindustries [12.10.06 06:57 AM]

Just like with DVD+R and DVD-R, I see no other way for this war to end than:

1. Companies start selling devices which can read/write to both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
2. Nobody cares anymore.

  Jeff Barr [12.10.06 08:55 AM]

Google Trends? I don't think so!

Most of the raw data is pulled from the Amazon E-Commerce Service and then aggregated in interesting and useful ways.

This is a good example of Open Source Intelligence in action.

  Steve [12.10.06 09:02 AM]

Well, as an actual owner of a PS3, a true 1080p flat screen, and using a HDMI hookup, I can say that the Blu-Ray drive is fantastic and this combination is very well worth it. I've watched several Blu-Ray titles at 1080p at 60 Hz and the quality blows my mind. I've tried composite video output and it's a clear step down from HDMI or DVI. So I recommend PS3-Blu-Ray-HDMI over XBox-HD-DVD-composite video system for watching HD movies.

I also have a HD video cam, and I discovered that the mpeg2 files I burned on regular DVD disks (for storage) play in HD directly from the disks using the Blu-Ray drive of the PS3, only ~20 max per DVD, mind you.

The Blu-Ray-HDMI-60Hz 1080P combination is mind-bogglingly awsome, have no doubts, and I heartily recommend it.

  Doc [12.10.06 12:22 PM]

I also have a ps3 and it sucks, it won't play 24 fps which looks all wrong, i will be looking at hd-dvd with interest, Also, the PS3 takes 430 watts to run compared with a standalone hd-dvd drive which requires 60 watts, i aint exactly green but i also aint dumn.

  Steve [12.10.06 02:14 PM]

As for 24 fps, I doubt anyone would notice the difference between 60Hz and 72Hz when dealing with 24fps movies in a double blind test. Regardless, the PS3 is supposed to get a firmware update for 1080p 24fps in the future.

As for comparing power requirements to choose between a standalone hd-dvd player and a PS3, I think it's kinda more important that the PS3 also plays games and stuff.

Even so, if you're unhappy with your PS3, you won't have any trouble selling it.

  Daniel260z [12.10.06 06:32 PM]

I wish people would stop with this Sony Slang , ie
TRUE-HD. What a load of rubbish. To say that would be to deny the resolutions in video PCs have enjoyed for years.

In a few years, with TVS etc, when 2048 becomes the norm, would that be SUPER TRUE HD???!?!
Give us a break.

Any ways, for those that really want to know - Blu-Ray has no advantages what so ever in terms of display over HD -DVD. NONE. Its sole 1up is only perceived storage capacity.

And for those of you who have REALLY seen Blu-Ray and HD -DVD in action and have noticed why a vast majority of HD -DVDs look miles better, it is simply because that the publishers have encoded the Blu-Ray versions with redundant MPEG variants.
HD -DVD uses a much more sophisticated encodeing scheme. And to above, ofcourse HDMI is going to look better than composite !!! Geeze.

Perhaps you mean COMPONENT !!! And no, it DOES NOT look any better at all through HDMI- another popular definition that is going to dumb down people who should know better.( Thank you Hollywood/Sony and other associated anti-"piracy" bastards )

But, it must be said that Blu-Ray is grossly OVER-rated !! Potentially it has greatness, but so does HD -DVD. And in the long run, or short for that matter, the aspects of actual physical media will be, if not already, fadeing out of the main stream, with more and more emphasis on HD-Data downloading. Oh well...

In all ANY HD-Format with any capable output, and yes this includes COMPONENT - on ANY capable tv including 720p, which looks the shit in itself,
is going to look ( and sound , if you have at least a 5.1 setup) really fantastic.

There, I said my piece and did not try to bullshit anyone with stupid video game console preferences.
Best regards to you all.

  Steve [12.10.06 08:41 PM]

Yes, I meant component, not composite, my mistake in writing. To my eye, and I don't have a preference for video game consoles, the image through the HDMI cable does look better than component. No matter how much you stomp and puff with ALLCAPS, personal insults, and profanity...it still looks better. I think you are saying HD output through component to a 720p HD tv looks really fantastic to you. Well, that setup simply does not look as good as HDMI with a 1080p TV.

  arjun pun [12.10.06 10:13 PM]

hd dvd for 360 play hd dvd without hdmi(not worth it).i own both 360 and ps3.the truth is right now the game is better on 360.but blue ray is far more better than hd dvd.i strongly recommend blue ray over hd dvd.and ps3 plays scratch dvd which 360 couldnt play.

  KitDoc [12.11.06 05:29 AM]

There's nothing wrong with HD DVD's current 1080i output, it looks excellent. But, Toshiba is subsidizing about $275 per unit to flood the market now with cheaper technology, and their 1080p via HDMI 1.3 in the yet to be released XA-2, delayed with quality control problems, is gonna cost $1000 like Blu-ray. Nobody complains about Blu-ray's uncompressed 5.1 PCM audio. Video issues in Blu-ray in some, not all titles are attributed to the transfer used by the studio, or from Samsung's firmware. Look at the Amazon charts objectively. The gap between the 2 have actually narrowed over the past couple of months, and Blu-ray is standing up to it, despite the delays, etc.

  Daniel260z [12.11.06 07:03 PM]

To Steve,
Im sorry if I offended you.

I sincerely wasnt targeting you in anyway, shape or form - but yes, I was referring to you with the "component" line. The only reason I had it in caps is because it is an awfully frequent mistake that gets written up, more so by many bloggers/tech "journos" and so called "industry profs."
component/composite. And that would confuse a great many people, especially those who have only just found out the pleasures of S-Video.
And -Although I did NOT unfortunately write this down last post - I most certainly HAVE noticed on major difference with video through DVI/HDMI compared to component. This being that I have not noticed ANY micro-ghosting ( ghosting ) through an HDMI/DVI setup as compared with component. But, again, it comes down to quality of make.

So Kudos to you, Steve. I hope I did not write anything that was insulting and If I did Im sorry.
Ps, I hope you enjoy your PS3 - and I hope we can be friends, no?

  Steve [12.16.06 09:18 AM]

Its Blu Ray/Sony buzzwords that are going to be thier runination..terms like true H.D.is hilarious. Then foring Blu Ray onto thier Play Station owners is sooooo strange. Bottom line is that 1080i and 1080p to the viewer are at this point not even noticeable.Heres some good info

"Below is Evan Powell's (Projector Central) appraisal of the 1080i vs 1080p controversy.

"The truth is this: The Toshiba HD-DVD player outputs 1080i, and the Samsung Blu-ray player outputs both 1080i and 1080p. What they fail to mention is that it makes absolutely no difference which transmission format you use—feeding 1080i or 1080p into your projector or HDTV will give you the exact same picture. Why? Both disc formats encode film material in progressive scan 1080p at 24 frames per second. It does not matter whether you output this data in 1080i or 1080p since all 1080 lines of information on the disc are fed into your video display either way. The only difference is the order in which they are transmitted. If they are fed in progressive order (1080p), the video display will process them in that order. If they are fed in interlaced format (1080i), the video display simply reassembles them into their original progressive scan order. Either way all 1080 lines per frame that are on the disc make it into the projector or TV. The fact is, if you happen to have the Samsung Blu-ray player and a video display that takes both 1080i and 1080p, you can switch the player back and forth between 1080i and 1080p output and see absolutely no difference in the picture. So this notion that the Blu-ray player is worth more money due to 1080p output is nonsense."

  Vic [12.19.06 04:42 AM]


You are absolutely correct, Steve. There is no difference in picture quality when it comes to 1080i or 1080p. Both forms feed all 1080 lines of information into the video display.


The HDTV's "native resolution" is probably the most important factor in order to get true-1080-HD picture quality. Most HDTV's in the market are 1280x720 in native resolution, which means that in order to receive a 1080 High Definition signal, the TV needs to up-convert from 720i/p, losing some lines in the process.


To get a true 1080 signal, one needs a HDTV with a native resolution of 1920x1080.
Now that's true 1080 HD.

  James [12.24.06 04:41 PM]

Sony is worse than most other companies (including Microsoft) in ripping the consumer off. They always over-promise and under-deliver. If you love big-brother DRM than you should support Blu-ray:

Blu-ray Disc has an experimental digital rights management (DRM) feature called BD+ which allows for dynamically changing keys for the cryptographic protections involved. Should the keys currently in use be "cracked" or leaked, manufacturers can update them and build them into all subsequent discs, preventing a single key discovery from permanently breaking the entire scheme. Blu-ray Disc also mandates a Mandatory Managed Copy system, which allows users to copy content a limited number of times, but requiring registration with the content provider to acquire the keys needed; this feature was originally requested by HP[12] . The lack of a dynamic encryption model is what has made DeCSS a disaster from the industry's perspective: once CSS was cracked, all DVDs from then on were open to unauthorized decryption. However this controversial technology, together with Self-Protecting Digital Content (SPDC), can allow players judged "bad" to be effectively disabled,[13] preventing their use by their purchaser or subsequent owners.[14] See Advanced Access Content System (AACS).

The Blu-ray Disc Association also agreed to add a form of digital watermarking technology to the discs. Under the name "ROM-Mark", this technology will be built into all ROM-producing devices, and requires a specially licensed piece of hardware to insert the ROM-mark into the media during replication. All Blu-ray Disc playback devices must check for the mark. Through licensing of the special hardware element, the BDA believes that it can eliminate the possibility of mass producing BD-ROMs without authorization.

In addition, Blu-ray Disc players must follow AACS guidelines pertaining to outputs over non-encrypted interfaces. This is set by a flag called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), which would restrict the output-resolution without HDCP to 960×540. The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left up to the content provider. According to CED Magazine, Sony/MGM and Disney currently have no plans to down-convert, and Fox is opposed to it as well. Warner Pictures is a proponent of the ICT, and it is expected that Paramount will also implement it.[15] Other studios releasing Blu-ray Disc content have not yet commented on whether or not they will use down-conversion. None of the titles released as of Dec 2006 include the use of the ICT. AACS guidelines require that any title that implements the ICT must clearly state so on the packaging.

  james [12.24.06 06:16 PM]

* How old is your HDTV? If you bought it prior to 2005, and there are over 3 million of you who did, the MPAA thinks you shouldn't be able to watch HD movies in high definition. They are insisting that your TV supports digital encryption via an HDMI port or an HDCP-compliant DVI port, which these earlier TV's lack. If you have to stoop so low as to hook up your shiny new player via, God forbid, analog (component), the industry thinks you're not worthy. There's a fun little surprise they built in to Blu-ray for people just like you, and it's called the Image Constaint Token. If it's enabled on a movie, and your connection does not support HDCP, then the movie is downsampled to 1/4 its native resolution, which is essentially the same as a standard DVD. While no movies have yet been released with the ICT enabled, know this: It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

* Thinking about buying a new Blu-ray drive for your computer? If you want to use it to watch movies, think again. You'll need to buy a lot more than just the drive. Remember, analog = BAD, digital encryption = GOOD. You'll need to open up that wallet of yours for a brand new HDCP-compliant video card, AND, an HDCP-compliant monitor. Notice the word compliant. That is very important. There are some products that just claim to be HDCP "compatible", but they will NOT work for viewing high definition movies.

* AACS means that Blu-ray will never be compatible with free software, affecting nearly everyone that wants to view these movies on their computer but isn't running Windows or Mac OS X. While this is a minority of computer users, they should not be ignored. Some might say history is doomed to repeat itself.

* Excited about Mandatory Managed Copy? Don't be. While it theoretically allows things such as making legal backups and streaming content from one part of your house to another, the studios have the option of charging you money to do that. Current HD players don't even support MMC. Your player also has to be connected to the internet. That's not inherently bad, but is certainly open for abuse. What if you don't have an available internet connection close to your home theater? What if you don't have broadband? The MPAA humbly requests that you cry them a river. It's hard to believe they even considered something like MMC, considering this. Choice quote: "Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices". Translation: please purchase another copy of content you have already paid for, thank you.

* "Hacking" Blu-ray your player, for example to remove the region coding, or playing a bootlegged disc, may lead your player to self destruct.

  Alex [01.01.07 10:33 PM]

James is a HD-DVD fanboy. He takes possibilities and makes them seem real as part of his propaganda. Please, completely disregard his post.

  Goran [01.02.07 02:26 PM]

Vista vs Leopard? WHat is Leopard? You mean the obsolete system of Apple? Dudeeee....

  Nic Wilson [01.02.07 05:52 PM]

Alex is a monty python fanboy. Disregard his post tell you to disregard some other fanboys post and he has subsequently been sacked.

:)

  rick [01.12.07 11:54 AM]

Well, i have had fun reading this.
I'm a compression compiler for Encrypted and token exchange data. And as such, have alot of training in the new HD standards for broadcast exchanges within the military. And my proffesional opinion laced with fact is this. HD-dvd is better quality, much more sophisticated compression and tighter standards. Blu-ray is all over the place, fragmented compression, poor support and no fixed compression standard. This is fact.

The CD's have better consumer protection, and this is tested fact.

The Military have chosen HD-DVD, or did, moved on now...you will see :-)
The consumer market will follow. Sony has a very bad project to realization history. Thats why so many rats are jumping ship.

Have a nice life!!

  the difference a month makes [01.15.07 09:38 AM]

It's funny all the trash talked but things have changed. Now BR is winning on Amazon and several other sites. Also BR has basically won in Japan. HD talked about triple layering to 50 GB which BR is already at, but BR can layer it up to an estimated 200GB. Imagine an entire season of the Soprano's on one disk. If BR can get their cost down they've one period, the tech junkies have already chose it for storage and quality. HD is basically DVD on steriods while BR is an entirely different beast. Once production is streamlined PS3 & BR costs will go down.

  rick [01.15.07 10:17 AM]

HHmm...Trash talk!
Thats an interesting way of dressing up fact with opinion. I don't own either HD-DVD or Blu-ray and i don't care about the brands. In fact, this war just goes to show the total disregard for us consumers. And i'm speaking as a consumer with technical knowledge.
Blu-ray is a better storage technology, but HD-dvd is a better quality media template. But due to historic bad feeling over DVD and the fact that Sony are always trying to force their Technology down our throats, we are the one being messed around.
But the fact that blu-ray is out competing HD-DVD is quite wrong, infact it's pretty tied.
see here. http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

Now lets not be emotional, no one has decided on a storage winner, why?
Because it costs alot to change from one technology to another, and most will not moove away from the growing capacity and ease of USB large storage devices.
HD-dvd is not DVD on steroids, infact it is the same technolgy as blu-ray, a blue lazer that burns the data. The difference is that you get a thicker coating on a Hd-dvd to protect against scratches, so it minimises the laser and disc ability. But i like that they have cosumer protection in mind, rather than..you gota scratch, well...replace the movie...gee thanks!

  Daniel John A.S.E. [01.21.07 09:10 AM]

Blueray vs. HD DVD war is over as far as the pro’s are concerned. Why? Unlike Blueray you can use your non-high definition computer burner to create HD DVD’s with an HD Authorizing software program.

  HDSPEX07 [02.11.07 11:01 PM]

It's been about a year since both BD & HDDVD official hit the market. We should not be suprised to see Sony trying to shove their technology down peoples throats. Either way pros who monitor sales say that HDDVD is actually in head of sales. They say for every 3 HD movies sold, 1 BD is sold. These numbers are a significant difference in the long run.

For $300 you can install a HDDVD player right into your own PC. I hear it is about $800 to do the same with BD. The truth is that BD has a great storage compacity but will probably lose due to their over-pricing for technology that is said to be nearly 10 years old. That's right Blu-Ray technology is used for MP3 technology. HD uses MP4 technology. It's been proven that HDDVD has better resolution & audio quality at the moment.

I am not taking the side of HDDVD, but it seems that it has a better chance of surviving than BR.

  Danny [04.15.07 08:18 AM]

HD DVD will win the war! Why? Their player design allows MFG's to bring the HD DVD player price way below Sony's Blu Ray. Costco is now selling a Toshiba HD DVD player for $349. The Consumer will determine who wins and price is the #1 consideration, since both formats show quality video.

  Danny [04.15.07 09:21 AM]

Additional comments to my post above....Amazon is selling the HD-A2 HD DVD player for $302 if prices keep dropping, we will be able to buy both formats and the consumer will use both.

  Adam [05.15.07 06:40 PM]

This is not true Blu-Ray sales more then double the sales of Hd dvd’s and players (including the ps3 and xbox 360's sales). This guy needs to get his facts straight.

  Freeman [06.24.07 10:14 PM]

Remember that it all comes down to the price of the product. Both systems can deliver 1080p resolution, but blu-ray costs more to make. Due to other websites too, walmart has reveled a $100 hd dvd player! So I think blu ray will lose (look a beta) So, I think it is safe to go with hd dvd.

  Wizard [07.07.07 12:27 PM]

Something nobody here seems to be considering but they SHOULD. I'm currently looking to upgrade my set-up. As I was researching HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray I came to the determination that I should wait until the format war is over so I decided to look into a solid upconverting DVD player. Seeing that the baseline Oppo costs 150, I realized for a measly extra hundred bucks I could play HD DVD AND get my old DVDs upconverted through one unit. Now THAT'S a compelling argument for HD DVD.

  IKB [07.16.07 05:08 AM]

Hardware is never critical. It's content. Look at the studio backing. Universal is HD-DVD's heavily subsidized last stand. It's kind of like the Alamo.

With the PS3 price drop and the majority of studios supporting Blu-ray, the choice was easy. Over the next several months, the quality of exclusives for HD-DVD is dwindling. Spiderman 3 and Pirates (Blu-ray) vs. Knocked Up and Evan Almighty (HD-DVD).

I think I'll now go to Blockbuster and rent a few Blu-ray.

Remember, hardware always drops in price, but good movies can't be pulled out of a hat.

  Brian [07.29.07 07:02 AM]

I own a ps3 and a x360. I think the x360 console is made like junk compared to the ps3. Which makes me more nervous to buy there HD-DVD add on. With my PS3 I have a High Def BD player which also upconverts my movies to High Def and is also a great gaming machine with wireless networking built in. All of this for $499! Hard to believe. I love my 360 gaming but I would stick with blu-ray btw, I have a 1080p display w/HDMI hook up for both.

  Alex [08.06.07 03:12 PM]

I have been reading both arguments, and both sides are
pretty damn good. I think it’s good to have a choice
and a clear winner. I own both systems. I'm viewing my
movies on a Sony 46 XBR Bravia 1080p w/Sony PS3 and a
Sony 32 XBR Bravia 720p w/X-BOX HD DVD player sets.(I
have not decided on a real Player yet maybe a DENON,
MARANTZ or a Pioneer Elite later on).

I think it comes down to this for those out there
supporting Blu Ray: you have the money or as they say
“extra income”. In numbers, yes, Blu Ray looks better.
Unfortunately, 80% of consumers will be cheap because
they don’t have or don’t want to spend the money.
Unless Blu Ray players drop in prices it will not
matter which movie companies produce which movie. All
movie studios strive to have that one big summer
blockbuster. There are only 5+ million of us buying
these players and accessories. There are 250+ million
people living in this country and the rest don’t give a
shit yet!

I'm a manager at a multi billion dollar company/big
box store (you know the one, hint- blue/yellow
shirts). I have worked there since all of this
started. As a region in the New England area we sell
HD DVD players way more than Blu Ray players, 2 to 1.
Our reports have shown that people buy one HD DVD
player at a lower cost and they only get one movie to
go with it. The guy or gal with the extra income will
spend twice the amount on the Blu Ray player and get 2
to 3 movies with their purchase to go along with their
big Home Theater package. So if it seems that it’s a
“tie” or that Blu Ray is selling a little bit more
it’s only because people out there, myself included,
just love buying a crap load of disks. And when you
can easily afford to do so, why not buy a lot of new
movies for your brand new player?

There are more HD DVD players in homes across America.
This includes the West, Middle, Southern, and East
coast of this country alone.

A 13 billion dollar industry, aka PORN, has 27% market
shares in DVDs alone in the WORLD. Porn (obviously) is
huge in this country, and if Blu Ray is having so many
restrictions… HD DVD won’t. Well, we see where that
one is going!

I'll leave you with this. The people right now that
are buying these products are going to lose- one way
or another- because at the end of the day we will have
to buy the other format if we still want to watch High
Definition Film. And for the guy that said “if you
don’t like your Sony PS3 then sell it because someone
else will buy it or want it,” I don’t think you
realize we can’t get rid of them fast enough because
not many people want them- NINTENDO is kicking the
shit out of both high end products! Why? Because it’s
a few hundred dollars cheaper!

  Rick [08.07.07 07:36 AM]

The one thing I've never seen ANYONE mention here is the combination of XBox 360 ELITE and HD-DVD, which is using the HDMI cable instead of component. I have to say I noticed a major difference in picture quality and colors when I switched from my old xbox to the Elite when watching movies. The colors are more vibrant and the picture is much clearer. I don't own a PS3, but I have seen Blue Ray demos at stores, and to me they look exactly the same as far as picture quality. No side-by-side test mind you, but I'm definitely not unhappy with what I have. So I'm on board with HD-DVD just fine.

  Anonymous [08.08.07 02:55 PM]

Blu-Ray players have a lot of movies coming out but so does hd-dvd. Hd-dvd also has more features than blu-ray does that is why Matrix came out for the Hd-dvd first. It also has the ability to flip the disc and play it on your other dvd players. If your also on the 1080P thing remember Toshiba just broght out a 1080P player. Which pretty much makes the even. The PS3 has very bad games out for it. So the only reason to have one is to watch movies.

  Bob [09.14.07 06:08 PM]

Betamax or VHS? I'm going for Betamax, you just wait and see!

  Steve [11.30.07 09:57 AM]

Well, I have to admit that I never saw HD-DVD before, but I just watched that Planet Earth series on my friend's 56 inch 1080p Sony TV with the stand-alone HD-DVD player and it was amazing. I really don't think it is possible to tell the difference between the two. Since I already have a PS3, I am going to buy a stand alone HD-DVD player so that no matter which format comes out on top, I will be able to watch them all.
Problem solved.

  Barney Rubble [12.15.07 12:04 PM]

I really don't care about either format. I wish one of them would have had the gumption to put a drive protector on them similar to DVD-Ram since I'm tired of buying the same DVD titles 2-3 times because they get scratched. I don't trust Sony since the malware audio discs. I would hate to see how much malware they could put out of a Blue-Ray.

  Tim [12.24.07 01:25 AM]

When will stupid people learn that HD-DVD and Blu-ray are just disc formats! They make no odds to the quality what so ever. The film is not filmed directly onto either format when they make the movie. The same data file is just copied onto the discs at manufacture. The only difference is the amount of space (gb) they can offer. You could put a VHS copy onto a blu-ray disc.. but it would still be crap quality.. blu-ray wouldn't magically make it better!!

This also applies to games, the PS3 launched with all the old xbox 360 titles and pretended they were new! The software developers didnt say 'lets make a special ps3 version' it was just ported across and its the same game.. same graphics.

If anybody actually understood the technical hardware difference, you would just laugh! I have worked in the industry all my life and I just find it so funny that so many gullible people believe the hype and dont understand it.

Would you buy a mini instead of a ferrari just because the salesmen said its a better car? Its got better wheels so it must be faster.. idiots!!

  Octopus [02.11.08 09:12 AM]

The link Rick posted here:
"But the fact that blu-ray is out competing HD-DVD is quite wrong, infact it's pretty tied.
see here. http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ "

This now posts a chart which is approximatley 95% dominated by BluRay wins. I know you posted that a while back, but it made me laugh.

I've never seen so many people so confused about anything in my life. Someone mentioned that HD-DVD has a thicker coating on the disc. It may be thicker, but one of the selling points of BluRay is it's NEW coating, which protects the disc's brilliantly. In fact, you can run a blade over a BluRay disc leaving an obvious scratch and it should still play. (I wouldn't try it or anything tho - there are videos of this about)

Another thing I often hear as a selling point for HD-DVD is that you can flip it over and play it in a DVD player. While this may be true, you can make a BluRay which will play as a DVD the right way up, leaving space for the standard label. This to me seems better than just glueing a dvd to your HD DVD.

I know from this I'll probably get flamed as a BluRay fanboy. I actually couldn't care less. I don't own a 360 or a PS3 or BluRay or HD DVD or a HD TV. I also think Sony and Microsoft are both about as bad as each other (Although Microsoft can be worse - with the original XBox it actually wouldn't let you watch DVD's unless you bought the pointless DVD remote - a fairly blatent "Screw you - pay me" to all their customers there.)

Anyway, it was tight for a while, but HD DVD being swallowed into BluRay seems fairly inevitable now (If you don't believe me look up which companies support each camp: BluRay has a list of several hundred companies, most of which are a who's who of hardware and film companies. In conrast HD-DVD has only these hardware companies on it's board:
Sanyo
N.E.C
and the impressive- MemoryTek Corporation.

Wish this was over to be honest - I promised myself not to bother going into all this HD melarky until there was only one format.

  Richard [02.16.08 11:41 AM]

I just got an email from Netflix saying they have chosen Blu Ray over HD DVD and will let their inventory of HD completely dissolve by May. By the way, their HD collection sucks anyway and the disks they can supply are so beat up most won't play through. While I appreciate their effort to more or less "end the war" by taking a stand, I think their decision is premature, and am disappointed they made it so soon. Especially since I just bought a Toshiba A3 a while back at top price. I can't win, but I know one thing. I'm going to wait a good long time before making a Blu Ray machine purchase.

Frankly, I have never understood why Blockbuster or Netflix didn't simply GIVE me a player. Wouldn't that make perfect sense if you were in the movie rental business, and considering they cost almost nothing to make? What was $500 is now $200, and what was $300 is now $40. GIVE me a player if you want me to rent 12 movies a month.

  Todd Hubbard [04.18.08 08:41 PM]

Well, HD-DVD is over! Blu-ray is a complete winner this time! X-box going to have to use blue-ray this may of 2008.

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