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2006

Tim O'Reilly

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China: Giant Contradictions

Long time China watcher Orville Schell spoke at the Long Now Foundation seminars on long term thinking on Friday night. (If you'd like to be notified of future seminars, join the mailing list.)

As usual, Stewart Brand summarized the talk, and has given permission for his summary to be republished here. The essence: "These days you cannot think usefully about China and its potential futures without holding in your mind two utterly contradictory views of what is happening there. On the one hand, a robust and awesomely growing China; on the other hand a brittle China, parts of it truly hellish." Schell went into some of the highlights of each of these two contradictory Chinas.

Read on for Stewart's summary.

China Thinks Long-term, But Can It Re-Learn To Act Long-term?

"China is the most unresolved nation of consequence in the world," Orville Schell began. It is defined by its massive contradictions. And by its massiveness--- China's population is estimated to be 1.25 to 1.3 billion; the margin of error in the estimate is greater than the population of France. It has 160 cities with a population over one million (the US has 49). It has the world's largest standing army.

No society in the world has more millennia in its history, and for most of that history China looked back. Then in the 20th century the old dynastic cycles were replaced by one social cancellation after another until 1949, when Mao set the country toward the vast futuristic vision of Communism. That "mad experiment" ended with Deng Xiaoping's effective counter-revolution in the 1980s, which unleashed a new totalistic belief, this time in the market.

So what you have now is a society sick of grand visions, in search of another way to be, focussed on the very near term.

These days you cannot think usefully about China and its potential futures without holding in your mind two utterly contradictory views of what is happening there. On the one hand, a robust and awesomely growing China; on the other hand a brittle China, parts of it truly hellish.

ROBUST CHINA:
- Peaceful borders in all directions
- Economic, non-threatening engagement with the entire world, including with societies the US refuses to deal with
- 200 million Chinese raised out of poverty
- Private savings rate of 40 percent (it's 1 percent in the US)
- 300 million people with cell phones, and the best cell phone service in the world
- A superb freeway system built almost overnight
- New building construction everywhere, and some of it is brilliant
- 150 million people online
- 350,000 engineering graduates a year
- One-third of the world's direct investment
- Huge trade surplus
- And an economic growth rate of 9 to 12 percent a year! For decades.

but also...

BRITTLE CHINA
- Not much arable land, so a growing dependence on imported food
- Two-thirds of energy production is from dirty coal, by dirty methods, growing at the rate of 1-2 new coal-fired plants per week
- 30 percent of China has acid rain; 75 percent of lakes are polluted and rivers are polluted or pumped dry
- Of the 20 most polluted cities in the world, 16 are in China; you don't see the sun any more
- Some industrial parts of China are barren, hellish wastes
- Driven by environmental horrors and by widespread corruption, there were 87,000 instances of social unrest last year, going up every year
- The population is aging rapidly, with no pension or welfare, and a broken healthcare system
- The stock markets are grossly manipulated
- Public and official amnesia about historical legacies such as Tiananmen Square in 1989

How can such contradictions be reconciled? The best everyone can hope for is steady piecemeal change. For the Chinese the contradictions don't really bite so long as they have continued economic growth to focus on and to absorb some of the problems. But what happens when there's a break in that growth? It could come from inside China or from outside (such as a disruption in the US economy).

It's hard to look at the China boom now without thinking about the Japan boom in the 1970s and '80s, remembering how everyone knew the Japanese were going dominate the US and world economy, and we all had to study Japanese methods to learn how to compete. Then that went away, and it hasn't come back.

The leadership of China is highly aware of the environmental problems and is enlightened and ambitious about green solutions, but that attitude does not yet extend beyond the leadership, and until it does, not much can happen.

That's China: huge, consequential for everybody, and profoundly unresolved.


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  Mike Mudd [09.24.06 07:55 PM]

I would add to those contradictions the fact that there is no public voice, no public debate, censored access to global issues and a hidden and vicious repression.
What better way to perpetuate the current regime (esp in the light of Tiananmen) than to allow limited access to wealth and the chance (real or not) of social advancement and a facade of western prosperity.
It's impossible IMO to correctly view China than through this lens. How long will it last? I think it will run as long as the cost of labour remains competitive, and that means a permanent under-class.

  Rikard Linde [09.25.06 01:56 AM]

My guess is that political change in China will happen in about 15 years. That's when their economy will stagnate, the relation between people producing for the economy and the people that needs economic support (children, elderly) will even out. Less people will accept the political solutions and without economic compensation they will demand change.

  The Humanaught [09.25.06 04:19 PM]

Excellent points Orville (and great summary Stewart). I think the key to China's change, at least as it relates to repression, will come from a growing educated-class.

I'm not talking about scholars, so much as a middle-class that just knows how to self-educate. When you stop accepting what you are taught in school and start looking for information elsewhere, some long-standing CCP paradigms will start to crumble and they will have no choice but to adapt or be removed.

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